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Saturday, May 31, 2008
Baby
I am happy to announce the birth of a baby blog. I started blogging about Operation Outcry. I am the WI State Team Leader and wanted to type away about all of the exciting stuff going on. Check it out!
Blackbelt, I respectfully disagree with that analogy. When you have held a tiny baby in your hand, there is no way you can say all the parts are there, but it is not a baby. How big is big enough? I have heard of and seen miraculous things in the neonatal world, and I say that child is a child from conception. With all due respect to you, flour, water, and yeast is a bit simplistic when compared to the greatest creation of a loving God.
Thanks Kristi- You said it. There is NO comparison. Not even a little bit. That 7 inch baby I held was missing nothing. She was a full, complete, creation of God.
blackbelt oma, You did not cause a ruckus. I wish you wouldn't have deleted your comments. It is obvious to me that we are passionate about the unborn!! :)
I think bread and water are good anologies for life:
Our forefathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written: 'He gave them bread from heaven to eat.'
Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven.
Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty.
This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
As surely as the sun rises, he will appear; he will come to us like the winter rains, like the spring rains that water the earth.
Jesus answered her, "If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water."
Let me add, I too, believe life begins at conception.
However, for someone who does not, I like the comparison of throwing away what would become bread, if you had only waited. (Again, in the case of a fetus, I do believe it is already a human life.)
Kristi, I see your point that comparing God's beautiful creation to bread ingredients is simplistic (perhaps even offensive.) But I also see the value in saying to someone who doesn't get it: If you were starving, would you throw out flour, water, and yeast because it did not look like bread?
I tell you what. Why don't you all get over here and we'll have a chat?!! There are many ways to reach abortion minded and abortion vulnerable women. 3D ultrasounds reach many. Personal stories reach some and so do analogies. I believe if we get out and do our part and keep praying the tide will turn in favor of life for the babes.
karla with a k, Thank you for your willingness to be a conciliator but you say: "Kristi, I see your point that comparing God's beautiful creation to bread ingredients is simplistic (perhaps even offensive.)"
Why is it offensive when Jesus himself compares Himself to bread and water??
My thought is this. When I read your original comment I was offended. On some level it was offensive. Maybe only to mothers who have felt the pain of losing a baby. You see, our babies were not just arms, legs, and heads- As you stated. They were babies. They would not have been more of a baby had they made it to 40weeks and been delivered successfully. They were full of life, no matter how long they lived. To compare them to water, yeast, and flour sitting in the pantry is so not it. In order to make bread you have to mix these ingredients, roll it out, wait for it to rise, and then bake it. When it is done baking then you have bread. With babies there is no process of these stages. A baby is a baby from conception- No more, No less. It hurts just the same. Whether they were 6 weeks along, or 40 weeks along.
I didn't sleep much last night, so maybe that's why I couldn't find it, but where do I leave a comment on the Outcry blog? Sorry, sometimes I'm slow like that :)
25 comments:
Yay! Go Carla! Can't wait to see all the ways God will continue to use you, sweetie!
I like the bread analogy, blackbelt.
Carla, I didn't know you were such a globe trotter. It is amazing to see God using you for His glory.
The word fetus is Latin for little one. :)
Blackbelt, I respectfully disagree with that analogy. When you have held a tiny baby in your hand, there is no way you can say all the parts are there, but it is not a baby. How big is big enough? I have heard of and seen miraculous things in the neonatal world, and I say that child is a child from conception.
With all due respect to you, flour, water, and yeast is a bit simplistic when compared to the greatest creation of a loving God.
Thanks Kristi-
You said it.
There is NO comparison.
Not even a little bit.
That 7 inch baby I held was missing nothing. She was a full, complete, creation of God.
blackbelt oma,
You did not cause a ruckus. I wish you wouldn't have deleted your comments. It is obvious to me that we are passionate about the unborn!! :)
No worries.
Kristi and lauralynn:
I think bread and water are good anologies for life:
Our forefathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written: 'He gave them bread from heaven to eat.'
Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven.
Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty.
This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
As surely as the sun rises, he will appear; he will come to us like the winter rains, like the spring rains that water the earth.
Jesus answered her, "If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water."
Let me add, I too, believe life begins at conception.
However, for someone who does not, I like the comparison of throwing away what would become bread, if you had only waited. (Again, in the case of a fetus, I do believe it is already a human life.)
Kristi, I see your point that comparing God's beautiful creation to bread ingredients is simplistic (perhaps even offensive.) But I also see the value in saying to someone who doesn't get it: If you were starving, would you throw out flour, water, and yeast because it did not look like bread?
And lauralynn, wow on your blessing.
I tell you what. Why don't you all get over here and we'll have a chat?!!
There are many ways to reach abortion minded and abortion vulnerable women. 3D ultrasounds reach many. Personal stories reach some and so do analogies.
I believe if we get out and do our part and keep praying the tide will turn in favor of life for the babes.
karla with a k,
Thank you for your willingness to be a conciliator but you say:
"Kristi, I see your point that comparing God's beautiful creation to bread ingredients is simplistic (perhaps even offensive.)"
Why is it offensive when Jesus himself compares Himself to bread and water??
And Carla, yes these things are better in person.
my email is
graceok at comcast dot net.
Grace
aka blackbelt oma
(thanks, Grace)
At least it looks like everyone here is for the babies.
No matter (as Carla said) in what differing ways we support them.
My thought is this. When I read your original comment I was offended. On some level it was offensive. Maybe only to mothers who have felt the pain of losing a baby. You see, our babies were not just arms, legs, and heads- As you stated. They were babies. They would not have been more of a baby had they made it to 40weeks and been delivered successfully. They were full of life, no matter how long they lived. To compare them to water, yeast, and flour sitting in the pantry is so not it. In order to make bread you have to mix these ingredients, roll it out, wait for it to rise, and then bake it. When it is done baking then you have bread. With babies there is no process of these stages. A baby is a baby from conception- No more, No less. It hurts just the same. Whether they were 6 weeks along, or 40 weeks along.
blackbelt oma was not commenting to offend. That was not her intent.
Would love to have this discussion continue over at the new blog. Thanks.
I didn't sleep much last night, so maybe that's why I couldn't find it, but where do I leave a comment on the Outcry blog?
Sorry, sometimes I'm slow like that :)
Read the Baby post and click on Check It Out! Otherwise it's in the right sidebar under Sites I Visit.
I got to the blog, but once there, couldn't find a familiar 'comment' button on the posts there.
Am I just not seeing it?
Thanks.
Never mind - must have been going to the general site, not the WI one.
=o}
Karlababe,
Operation Outcry has the website.
Mine is the WI blog. Comment away, my dear.
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